Realistic proposal for removing illegal aliens and keeping them out?

I keep reading that we need to protect our borders and deport all illegal immigrants. I would like to know how that can be done realistically.

Keep in mind there are about 12 million of them, they are hiding and they don't have ID. You gotta find them all and lock them up somewhere while you work out the details of how you fly them back. (you need lots more ICE agents and jail beds). Once they are out, how do you keep them from turning around and coming right back? A wall can be climbed over, tunneled under or through. How do the companies replace 12 million workers? Keep in mind you are against passing a law that would give them legal status or let them come legally to work. Are the companies so rich that they can afford to pay $5 more per hour for American workers? Wouldn't the smaller restaurants, construction companies, farms etc. go out of business?

I am really interested in hearing a solution that could work.

There is a relatively simple solution that no one in government wants to enforce. If workplace enforcement were to be consisting and extend to every employer, the source of the jobs would dry up and most of these people would head to greener pastures, mostly on their side of the border. However this would require checking all the employers, and enforcing the current laws that regulate who can work in this country. Unemployment in the US would drop significantly, there would be a backlash for a while from the illegals loss of income, but by the end of a year, the changes would have a huge social and economic effect. Most would be for the better. Social services would be reduced in some areas by 85%. Traffic would drop radically, and the wear and tear on the infrastructure would be reduced, saving the taxpayers a lot of money. Hospital emergency rooms would open back up, and be used for what they were intended for.
No, you are right. There are some businesses that would not survive. However if they are relying on a resource that is not legal to begin with, then they deserve to go down. Where would a drug dealer be if no drugs were smuggled into the US. He would probably have a job at one of these businesses you refer to.

Reward citizens for turning them in. Don't detain them at all and that solves your jail bed issue. Just send them straight back to where they came from.

It really wouldn't be that hard. You could just set up checkpoints and start prosecuting those who hire or house illegals proactively. Those whom aren't deported will leave....maybey to Canada...lol. We could lock down the Mexican border in a week..with minimal cost

so what your saying is that for the good of corporations we should allow people to be taken advantage of. nice. but honestly if services in america were set up to be non illegal friendly it would be much easier to keep them out. but that would require a database that had social security numbers and names attached so that a ssn could not be reused and then if your in the country under a work visa not hard to get a different id with more anticounterfeit technology. but if you had a special id and a place you could see if jose's ssn was legit it would cut down on it very quickly.

The only proposal is to take away the carrot and they wont come. The carrot being jobs for some and social services for others. If we take that away from illegals by jailing employers than they wont come and eventually many would self deport. It is a lie however that they are comming to feed their families compare how an illegal looks comming here to those really hungry in Africa thats who is starving not these illegal mexicans.

Good, the kids in this country can finally learn the value of a dollar.
Strawberry pickers make $ 10 bucks an hour.
Thats pretty good $ when you are not making anything.
there is no need for illegals and companys will not be hurt.

Build that wall

I have ambivalent feelings about the goal once the problem is stopped going forward, and the 'bad sort' are gone (the twice illegal and gang members).

However, turn it around and say what would happen to the size of the illegal population if everywhere people affirmatively DON'T ASK and enforce, they DID ask and enforce?

Schools? Yes we have to give education, but I didn't see anything saying there couldn't be enforcement. Hospitals? After emergency service, of course, and for policy reasons we might exclude vaccinations from this.

Traffic tickets? College applications? Loan applications?

And what if we had much more secure ID and a database employers could easily check against?

Change the idea of giving instate tuition to illegals to the certainty that if anyone even knows they are illegal, they will be deported, not given discounts or funding. Dismantle all benefits with a similar reasoning.

It would sure be a different world than it is now, and many might not think this was such a good place to come to, illegally.

Turn it around. EVEN IF THE 12 to 20 million stay (hopefully with no ability to vote or bring in absent family, even down line), I think we will need to do these things to keep the situation from getting logarithmically worse as time goes on. Not doing these things now just delays the tough decision. It doesn't make it less necessary.

Also, walls and tunnels create bottlenecks at minimum. I'm all for that sort of reduction of traffic. And with LA County alone spending $1 billion a year on services for illegals, I think the country could afford a lot of busses and plane tickets.

What would YOU propose?

Have citizens report people they know to be illegals. Enforce the laws so that companies who hire illegals and people who rent to illegals get fines or jail time. Build a wall they can't climb and if they do, have more border patrol agents there to stop them. and the companies who can't afford to pay fair wages can go out of business if they can't pay the minimum wage. i don't think $5.15 is too much to ask for. they are being greedy and cheap.

If you punish the empoyers that employ them then we won't have to spend one cent of taxpayer money to deport them. If the jobs are gone they will leave on there own. At one time companies were paying hire wages and they could afford it but when they could hire illigals at lower wages and make more profits they went that route. Illigals hurt the american economy they drive down wages and since they make less they pay less taxes which drives up the deficit which lowers the GDP which hurts employment, which means companies hire more illigals to maintain there profits. We need to get back to higher wage workers paying more taxes lowering the deficit and increase the GDP.

Open the borders. America is built on immigration. Immigration is not a problem it is a solution.

Execution would work!Small businesses would not go out of business,the wise business owners would simply raise prices a little bit.It would be a small price to pay for getting rid of illegal vultures.

Well, one good answer is no employment for illegals. If you're in the US illegally, plain and simple, you're not getting hired. And, to put some lead behind that, fine holy crap out of any employer caught hiring illegals.(clemency if they got duped with fake ID, but if there's like 50 fakes and they didn't catch any of it, fine em anyway) Main thing is, 'turn off the magnet', which means no jobs, no handouts, no 'sanctuary' etc. It doesn't do a damn bit of good to pass a law in one part of the country only to have another state decide that they'll take em all in.

The border fence WILL work, but it needs to be 'same day deportation', and start asking Mexico for compensation for the gas. Why Mexico? Because they're the worst offender on all of this, and most of the people in our country illegally came from theirs, so yeah, they can help with the bus fare.

Main thing though, is spread the word far and wide by passing laws that expressly prohibit illegal immigration, or reiterate the ones already on the books.

Illegal immigrants end up getting used, either in our country, or by the people 'helping' them sneak in to our country. It's a criminal racket, any way you look at it, some 500 people croaked in the desert last year trying to hike in, ya can't help feel sorry for em, but the reason they're in that situation to begin with is because Congress waffled on this issue far far longer than is prudent, so it follows that the first step to reform falls to them to get things back in order. We either have immigration laws, or we don't, and it's up to them to figure out which is which, and what they intend to do in terms of supporting whichever stance they finally decide on. I hope it's for immigration enforcement, not because I hate mexicans or whatever, but rather because I don't think that it's really good for either of our countries. There can be factories, banks, stores, hospitals, roads, schools in Mexico, just like there are here. They can engage in global trade, and sell bell peppers in Pango Pango or whatever, for all I care, but bottom line our country shouldn't have to pay for EVERYTHING for Mexico.
There's other countries on this planet that have money, let THEM chip in a buck, here and there, too. Maybe one of those offshore cash barons will suddenly start feeling generous and drop 2-3 billion into Mexico where it'll really count, like into some schools.
Once people have the knowledge of how to build stuff, they don't need money, they just need materials. Mexico's got minerals,
probably metals, probably sitting on several gold mines, but playing america for every penny they can get. THAT needs to stop. And, the best way to do that is to make it a lot tougher for people to be in our country illegally, starting with the 'getting into our country in the first place' part. Get rid of the amnesty cities,
get a 50-state consensus on illegal immigration, and start helping people move home so they can do the most good where it's really needed: At home. Churches, roads, schools, hospitals, stores, police stations, all these things can be made in at least primitive fashion by piling one rock atop the other, adding some dirt, and just continuing. OR, OR, they could get all 20th century with it, grind up the rocks, make some of that fancy new concrete, pour the foundations and build the walls of the new buildings they need, and then populate them with teachers, doctors, merchants etc. One way or another, it has to be built.
The sooner they start, the better off they'll be, the better off we'll be. Spread the good word, and write your city council!

There is no way to stop crime permanently. Not going to happen. Can't be done. There is no way to stop illegal immigration. Not going to happen. Can't be done. Because every beach, every river, ever stretch of border is another point of entry.
What we need to start doing is establishing rules and procedures that are effective and practical given the reality of the situation, and stop jumping up and down and screaming about the problem.
You hit the problem exactly "knowing who is here and where they are". And that requires an effective and practical plan to deal with the 12-15 million illegal immigrants already here. And that's not going to happen when the only plan anyone comes up with is "deport them". Because that's just like saying "arrest and imprison all the criminals". Don't you think police have been trying to do that for decades? Not going to happen. Can't be done.
We need sensible, practical, effective solutions. Not extremism.

Wow, there are 3 really great answers toward the bottom that actually take on different ideas.

Now to think them all over. Thanks!
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edit: I just seen another one.

This is what is killing the American economy. Employers are hiring these illegal immigrants to do jobs for $3-5/hr instead of hiring citizens that will do the job for $8/hr. In turn, since these immigrants aren't being paid the legal and documented way, they aren't paying any taxes at all, and guess where a lot of the money is going??? Back to their family in their home country. Those families use the money to support themselves THERE and the money rarely, if ever, gets back to the US treasury. They take the lower-paying jobs away from poor, uneducated, and/or young Americans who would do the same job for minimum wage AND pay TAXES. They would spend it in the US, so it would go back into the monetary system of the US. But the less they have, the less they spend, and the less money from taxes we get. Economy goes into regression and, eventually, depression. We can't let them run our country into the ground just because they let someone else or ran their own into the ground. If they're legal, let them stay, if they're illegal, deport them as fast as possible and step up procedures and security to keep them out. Reward people to turn them in, and punish people that house them and support and give them jobs.

my neighbor laughs about using a dead cousins birth certificate and it makes me sick she get alot of things from us I cant get and I have been here since birth what a joke

Then report your neighbor. Your involvement won't be traced.

By standing by and doing nothing, you are perpetrating the problem.

First we need a Wall along our southern Border. And enough Border guards to actually secure it. Second you simply start screening for Illegals company by company Deporting them as you go. People say It can't be done because the economy would collapse. That's BS the process would take time to deport 12 to 20 Million Illegals. It's not like will wake up one day and POOF there all gone. Companies would have time to Hire New workers to replace the Illegals. If companies agree to work with the Federal Government and Prove they cannot get Legal US citizens to do these jobs then we could possibly look into allowing some to stay on Work Visa's AFTER the go through a security and back ground check.

That is a solutionless non-problem. If we wasted the billions necessary to gather up 10+ million Mexicans and took them to the border there is no reason to believe that mexico would permit us to dump that refugee expense onto them. They would probably close the border to us. What would we do then? Invade them? Would we open permanent enternment camps for generations along the border? Do we start putting undocumented toddlers in jail? Do we build family prisons?
NO, we only need to give them the greencards so that they can pay taxes, not be a burden, and have a right to the same income expectations. ( and expense to the employer ) That, in itself, will reduce the demand for illegal ( exploitable ) labor.
No "amnesty plan" will do anything except increase the problem, unless it is backed up by a strong border AND realistic legal immigration quotas, not the absurd 50,000 that we permit now.

If our government was truly concerned about Americans they could get them out..... most cities, counties, states have cops - give them the power to deport - they all know where the illegals congregate just load up buses - when it's full head to the border - cross the line & kick them out.

OR cut off all social services, JAIL ANYONE that hires, feeds, protects an illegal..if there are no freebies the trash will leave.

Build a Wall on the border and keep an active larger boarder patrol, Allow the ones who are already hear to become residence. And wait for it to go all away.

Give them amnesty.